Slalom 100% - tuning, técnica, material, etc.

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Abro este post para compartir y hablar de la puesta a punto, trimaje, montaje y todo lo relacionado con el material de Slalom moderno. estaría bien que todos compartieramos nuestros conocimientos y poder entablar multiples discusiones que tanto nos gustan [qmeparto] , con el objetivo de que todos mejoráramos .. hablar de tablas, de aletas, de velas, foostraps, trimajes, de todo.

Empiezo yo poniendo un documento de RRD donde dan unos consejos y unas explicaciones técnicas sobre el tuning de la RRD_V6, pero casi todo es aplicable a otras marcas.

Ver archivo adjunto RRD-XF_V6_tuning_tips_final.pdf

Tengo tb unas páginas de este año de una revista inglesa, con información de primera mano de los pros, dirigida a la gente mortal [qmeparto] ... voy a buscarlas y las pondré aquí en este post.

Podemos ir recopilando videos, articulos, fotos, todo lo relativo a esto, y asi usamos este post de central de truquillos de slalom .. y los máquinas, que no os de vergüenza explicarnos los truquillos para que podamos mojaros la oreja [roto2gay.gif]

También podemos compartir que material tenemos, tablas, velas, mastiles, botavaras, quillas .. que usamos y cuando lo usamos, etc ... discusión solo material de slalom.
 
Aquí un PDF que he hecho con las paginas muy interesantes de una revista inglesa:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_wktrrGyBlAbUV2QW9oYko0VVE/view?usp=sharing

es muy interesante, hablan del perfil de varios profesionales y sus reglajes y consejos ( Bjorn, Swift, Menegatti, Taty Frans, Albeau ), de si es mejor la mano hacia arriba o hacia abajo, cabos de arnes, altura botavara, tuning de las tablas, posicion del cuerpo, trimaje de velas y tablas, tñecnicas de planeo, ... lectura recomendadisima para los que nos gusta el slalom.

Compartid si teneis mas documentos o lo que sea!!
 
El articulo de la v6 yo lo había visto aquí

http://blogg.surfers.se/2014/rrd-xfire-v6-tuning-tips-finian-maynard/

al principio no me daba cuenta que era el mismo que el del PDF pero al volver a leerlo ya vi que era el mismo.

De los que salen en el segundo PDF solo había leído el de Borjn, y en una entrevista Albeau, comentaba incidiendo en que el conjunto estuviera compensado y que la aleta era importantísima.
 
Hola a todos:
El teme es muy interesante. He estado mirando los archivos que habéis puesto pero mi nivel de inglés es bajo y muchos detalles no los entiendo. A ver si alguien los puede poner en español o resumen.Gracias.
 
Vídeo de como rotar los cambers en una vela de slalom en seco que hice ayer:


 
jah dijo:
Esta es la Pryde que acabas de vender, Jaume?
Está preciosa...

Sí, la vendí ayer, pero hay otra, usada un poco más pero tb nueva, 8-9 baños, en 7.8, con su mástil FX100 .. si alguien interesado es un chollazo. Tb hay una 8.6.
 
Jaume: es increible lo bien rotan los cambers en seco, esa vela tiene muy buena pinta.
¿ Eso demuestra que la vela está bien montada y con el mástil adecuado?
¿Todas las velas con cambers debería actuar lo mismo que con esta Neil pryde en seco?
 
Gracias, estoy viendo aletas para próxima compra, en la que quiero saber que nos conviene a los simples aficionados para ir un poco mejor, ya se sabe que los pro si les sacan rendimiento a todo.
saludos
gracias
 
Añado unas recomendaciones sobre trimado de ITA-1 para las largas distancias, en particular para la Defiwind: en el artículo se compara el trimado para un slalom downwind de 5 minutos de la PWA con una larga distancia en ocho de 50km, primando el confort como premisa para sacarle provecho al material:

"ACT #3: THE TRIM
The trim for the Defi wind!

Two months away from the Defi Wind are you getting ready?
I hope with the warm spring days are allowing everyone to be on the water more often! I got feedback from some of you, who started swimming, running and training, great start!

The Defi wind course is an figure eight long distance slalom. Meaning that you have to go half wind from one side to the other 4 times on the 12km reaches. In theory it should be half wind, but often at Defi because of the way the bay is arched and the wind shifts, you end up doing half wind reaches, at a slight upwind angle. It comes also natural as you want to be sure to reach the mark on the other side so you point upwind without thinking... and also closer to the beach, the flatter the water.. but this is tactics and we will look at these next time. As you will not see the mark where you will have to jibe as it`s too far, you will either follow the organization boat if you are first, or follow the competitors in front of you. Everybody is pushing upwind, even the boat, so you need to trim yourself to be more comfortable upwind.

Upwind. What does this mean? Simply having more power on the gear to push upwind. Do you though want more power on a long distance? Normally to be more comfortable to go upwind, you need the following setting.
Tighter foot straps.
Bigger fin
Short Harness lines
Higher boom position.
Will this be the trick at the Defi? NO!

In PWA we are mostly sailing downwind, so the tuning we have on our gear is completely the opposite. At Defi wind, the PWA pros are tuned for having a lot of power in their gear, tuned up for max 5 minute dowinwind slalom, comfortable for exactly that target. If you do the first race in the Defi with this tuning, you will suffer a lot and be tired for the rest of the days. I think most of the pros would agree with me.

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Defi it`s not about having the highest top speed through the 50kms, but it`s about having the best average top speed for the 50k’ with a trim which allows you not to be exhausted after one race. It’s not about going at 120% as in the PWA for few minutes, as you see on the live ticker in the PWA, but about going at 90%of the top speed you will need for 1hour. Some of you are thinking 1hour is nothing... I sail for 3h. Yes but never 15/20 minutes on one side!
So how do we trim our gear? Let’s go back to our 4 points. You need the comfort and power for going upwind, but unfortunately you sometimes need also to go downwind, therefore you also need to tune up for having control in that direction. So let’s see what we mean by this.

1 Footstraps.
Normally in slalom you keep them a bit wider, so that if the wind picks up, or you need to go more downwind, you can push your feet more inside the strap, towards the centre of the board and gain control. At the Defi wind you want them to be tight that your foot feels the footstrap all the time. This allows, especially for the front foot, to pull up in the strap to go more upwind. If it is too wide, then you have to force your foot up even more to feel the strap, to pull upwind, and this kills the tibias in your legs... and for 13km in one reach you feel like crying. So do calibrate your foot straps so that your feet fit in nicely, and not only the toes, but that you feel the strap tight on top of your foot.

2 Fin
For going upwind you need a bigger fin. In this case you don`t. The water is flat. So there is no need to push upwind with power, but you can go more upwind with speed. There are 13km to go to the next mark so you don`t need to point high, but just enough to stay sufficient upwind from the mark. Also if you use a too big fin, where you have to go downwind, or where you have to go in a stronger gust it gives less control.

3 Mast Track
This is very important. Normally we have it balanced to get the most power, speed, and comtrol/. For Defi, your normal position will not work. Put your mast track 2/3cm further forward than normally. This will allow the weight and profile of your rig to keep the board down for you so you get less tired in keeping the board on the water when gusts or waves hit the gear. Sure you could be a little slower, but better than being half way through the race and having to slow down 50% of your potential, as you are too tired.

4 Boom
To go upwind you normally keep your boom higher to get more power out of the fin as you would be able to push more with your legs, but in Defi wind, as we said before, the upwind is done over a long distance so you don`t need so much power. Having the boom too high will get you tired. So lower the boom from even your normal position. A couple of cm will not hurt your performance over 50km.

5 Harness lines
This is something that we do adjust a lot according to how wavy and over powered you are. Normally in overpowered condition and waves you tend to have longer harness lines, and in light wind or flat water, you tend to shorten them. At Defi the water is flat or choppy. Plus as you are going half wind and a bit up, the best is to have shorter harness lines than usual. I would check what harness lines I have on my boom, and be prepared with some adjustable harness line for the race. I would use them a size shorter then what I would normally use them, but I recommend you to have the vario models, as sometimes, the course can get very choppy and very downwind if you went too far upwind by mistake, or to use the flatter water by the shore, so to go down to the mark, if you can make them longer for that moment that you go downwind, it will make life easier. In the next article I will show you a map of how the race works, and explain all the tactics, and also where you can actually make your harness lines longer and shorter during the course

6 Do you have the adjustable outhaul system?
This is very important. As said in the previous article, the wind can be 15knots on the starting area and 25knots on the other side of the bay. So it’s not an optional but a need. This way if you feel that you have too much power or you are getting tired, just pull the adjustable outhaul, flatten the profile, depower the sail, and get some energy back. Or if you see that the wind is dropping, you are losing speed, and you have energy to take advantage from more power, then release the adjustable outhaul, and gain some speed.

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The concept is that you need to think that you will be on the water for a longer time on one side of the board. Longer than you normally would- Much longer. What you think is not tiring after 5km, can destroy you physically after 10km. A bit like carrying weight; for a short time is ok, but then for a longer time you need to start switching positions, hands, arms to keep carrying the same weight. When you are there on the water, you don’t have time to switch anything, so you have to plan your trimming that you are comfortable for the whole race, and for all the races.

From the explanation above the concept is that you need to depower your gear to what you are used too (lower boom and mast track more forward), add the trim the gear for flat water (shorter fin and harness lines), be able to point little upwind when needed (tighter straps and shorter harness lines), at the same time be able to have comfort downwind when needed in some areas of the course ( vario harness lines and adjustable outhaul).

Next time you go sailing, go out with your gear as normal. Come back to the beach. Shorten your harness lines, move the mast track 3cm more forward, lower your boom 4cm, check your foo strap sizes, and go back on the water. Find out if this new setting feels easier as that will be a kind of trim you will look for at Defi! Don’t worry if you lose a bit of speed. All we care about is to feel like we use less power than normal...as the ride is long!

Till next mail.

Andrea Cucchi
ITA - 1"
 
Interesante.

Si puedes informar de dónde se publican estos artículos, buscaré el de "táctica" que comenta que hará. (O que ya ha escrito).
Este sobre trimado, está muy bien. A pesar de que mantiene cierto celo informativo.

ces172 dijo:
(Mejor Cucchi escribió) A couple of cm will not hurt your performance over 50km.
Da por bueno este dato de la organización, que no es correcto. En el mejor de los casos, 40 km (si mo me engaña el google maps). Muchos igualmente [bonk].
 
Que tal xavi? Creo que se publicaron antes d la defi en web o facebook de Poin7 , a mí me llegaron junto a entrenamientos físicos creo que fueron 5
Saludos
Gracias
 
m.alcala dijo:
Que tal xavi? Creo que se publicaron antes d la defi en web o facebook de Poin7 , a mí me llegaron junto a entrenamientos físicos creo que fueron 5
Saludos
Gracias

OK. Ya lo he encontrado. Había que enviar un mail, para que te enviasen la información.
https://www.point-7.com/blog/news/blackdefiproject/
Demasiado tarde.

De todos modos, la táctica, supongo que la explicaría a medias (como el trimado), para que no se le hechasen todos los "amateurs" encima de su run.

Por aquí muy bien. Muy motivado, como siempre.
Un saludo a todos !!
 
Hola os dejo algo más, a ver si encuentro el resto.

ACT #3: NEEDS AND DUTIES
What do I do when I get there?
First thing to do is to go to the hotel or apartment and drop off all the things you won't need on the beach. If you stay in your van or camper you better get organized to be comfortable.
One of the tricks to be prepared is to go to an event only with useful things. Leave home anything which you are 100% sure you will not need. Take with you spare parts which fit to your gear and not things which were good on booms of the 80s etc...
Make sure that you have all you need. Don't come to the event knowing that you are missing an extension, rope for one boom, harness lines etc. You need to set you mind free to focus on the race. Even at the PWA there are some riders hoping that it will not windy for that sail for which they don't have a boom then you see them rushing to see if they can borrow one if it's needed. Or running around looking for a screw for a fin! So make sure you rig everything you plan to bring, check that everything works, and that nothing is missing.
At the event there is a big parking place right by the beach. First ones to get there have the closest place to the beach. Let's say that there it's not so far to walk though even if you are not first line.
There is also no space problem to rig the gear on the beach or at the parking. Unless you are sleeping next to the sails, the best is to de-rig and rig every day. Takes a bit of time, but you need to rig maximum 3sails, so it does not take more than 15minutes. The skipper meeting is not super early in the morning so there is time to rig the sails, and from the skipper meeting to the start of the race there is 1hour.
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Anyway, for those who get there for the stage, we will help sorting you out on the 28th. Those who will come the after the stage they need to carefully read the next lines.

The best is anyway to arrive at night the day before the race starts. This gives you time to have a good sleep, wake up have a good breakfast and arrive in shape at the event. The inscription can be done the day before, and that is the best time. You do it in the evening, get all your bag which contains all the information that you need to have, some gadgets and the lycra. Then go to have a good dinner with lots of pasta. Dinner will make you sleepy and give you energy for the next day. The lycra costs 35euros. If you give it back you get the money back, if you keep it for memory, you know the price.

The inscription is at a tent behind the beach. In the middle of the parking so the place is easy to find.

How does a day at the Defi work?
After a great breakfast, make sure that you are at the beach around 9am. This gives you time to get some equipment ready before the skipper meeting. Check the forecast in the morning so you already know more or less which sails you need to rig for the day. Bring the gear to the beach and make sure that nothing flies away. Once everything is ready, go sit down out of the wind if it's cold and out of the sun. Don't waste energy walking around. Enjoy time with some friends relaxing. This is also the perfect time for drinking a lot of water, up to the start of the skipper meeting.

The skipper meeting is almost 1hour long the first time. So take a sit and don't be in a hurry. The skipper meeting is behind the beach on the stage. During the skipper meeting they will tell you a lot of things that I will tell you in the next mail.
Bring your starting watch at the skipper meeting. They will give one hour count down to the start of the race. That means that when that hour is finished, you will have to cross the starting line! So get ready!
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As the skipper finishes, one hour is a lot for those who are used to race normally as they are used to only 15minutes! If it's the first time then you still have enough time, but there are a lot of things you need to take care about.
Go sign out with the organizers (Informing that you will enter the water, so they know who is out and who is in). If you forget and you will get disqualified. There is a big table with all the names on. Go sign your name that race which you are going to race!
Make sure that the sails you have rigged are good for the given wind. Otherwise rig an extra sail. Always rig minimum 2 sails. If one breaks or the mast breaks, then you have a second one ready to go. No panicking then few minutes before you needs to be on the water!
Get changed, and if it is cold wear a jacket over the wetsuit until you go on the water. You can leave your jacket tied to your other sail you will leave on the beach.
If you are ready before starting time, go on the water to see if the sail is big enough and not too big. Don't ask around which sail the other will use. Think to be at your home spot and that you go sailing by yourself. Imagine asking someone with 20kg more than you, or someone who had 20years less experience than you! You know what you need, don't get insecure all of a sudden by asking others.
To get to the starting area you take 10 minutes, so try to leave the beach when 20 minutes are due... so that you warm up a bit. Don't go to early otherwise you get tired!
Once you finish the race, first thing to do, apart from getting interviews because you won, put your warm jacket on, run to the table where you were signing out, and sign in. Otherwise you will be disqualified. Don't waste time talking, go back to the car, get changed into warm clothing. Leave the wetsuit out for drying. Normally it take 3 hours before the second race of the day. So it's get to cold to wait in the wetsuit!
Drink and eat. If you can eat some white rice it's not a bad advice. Try to stay away from junk food! Keep drinking the whole time.

A second race will be called with a second fast skipper meeting of the day. Repeat all you have done in the first race. Sign in and out! Remember. Its for your safety, and for not getting DSQ!
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Once the second race is finished, get changed and only after you start de-rigging and putting your equipment away. Check your harness lines, the screws of the straps if they are still tight.

Get a quick appointment with all your friends to go out or meet for dinner! Go back to your apartment, hotel to have a super warm shower and do a lot of stretching. The main stretching to do is for the legs. The best is to put your bum against a wall, and your legs straight against the wall. This way is like you are sitting on the wall. It relaxes your back and the main part of the legs which suffer this long distance. Stretch you calves by standing only with the toes on a step and letting all your weight on them and drop the heel down. Stretch your back muscles as well. Take time for this. It will help you recover faster for the next day. Drink a lot, eat rice, pasta again and sleep more than 8 hours.

We had some people asking us for the parties! Well every night there is a party at the event site. If you are not tired go for an hour, but be home by 11 if you want to be fit for the next day... ! Stay longer only if the forecast is less than 5 knots!
Each day is the same, so follow the routine. Take time during the day to visit the stands, and meet people if there is no wind.

The last day of racing, normally there is only one race instead of 2. In the afternoon there is a great price giving and you can give back your lycra to get back your 35euros.

Next article you will get all the info you need for racing.

When you arrive, we are at the stand. Check the image.
 
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